Liverpool Tridentine Mass Church rejected by council of Priests. A Bishop has to consult the council on such issues and it was rejected and the permission duly withdrawn. The reason given by the majority on the council lies in the fact that the existing 100 parishioners objected that their parish community would be broken up. So I would see in this a feature I have noted recently that there is a considerable backlash amongst the laity against the old rite restoration. I know it is only a minority but they are a noisy and possibly influential minority supported no doubt by quite a number of priests. Every paper seems to contain some protest. This week the HERALD has one from a Fank Roome of Liverpool.
Simon Robinson is apparently eager to have a Latin Mass but does not even the Latin for "I cant wait". Does he then want an excuse for taking no part in the Mass ? Another quite ridiculous point. What about prayer etc ? Interior participation ?
Women Priests Here again there I find more people are supporting a move in this direction in the Catholic Church. This week in two papers there is a letter from Fr John Daly IC of Leicester . He writes
In 1974 Pope Paul VIs biblical commission concluded there was nothing scriptural or theological against the place of women in the ordained ministery but that cultural differences and Church tradition needed careful consideration before changes could be made in a universal Church.....since the first Council in AD 49 the church has constantly developed its teachings on salvation, predestination, necessity of baptism, limbo, marriage, religious liberty..always seeking the guidance of the Holy Spirit. ..That Jesus did not choose women or uncircumcised men among the Apostles is not relevant. "What is the Spirit leading us to understand ? is the question that ournew brothers and sisters (ie
converts from nglicanism) will share with us. I think the writer needs a refresher course in theology, Church History and the Role of the Holy Father. The discernment of the Holy Spirit is shown either in the person of the Holy Father, ie infallibility, or a General Council in unity with the Holy Father, or the whole mass of the faithful again in unity with the Holy Father. The so called changes he refers to are developments in the understanding of the Church. Finally the fact that women can never be ordained to the priesthood was declared as unchangeable by Pope John 23rd (I cant give the exact reference unless one of you readers knows it)
New Exhibition in Rome. The Pill reports that a new exhibition at a site in Rome will be devoted to the History of the 2nd Vatican Council and has already caused controversy by seeming to side with those who consider the council to mark the beginning of a new Church .. (see my posting yesterday).
Next Post tomorrow but then I am away for two weeks and regret there will not be any posts as my deacon is also away.
Saturday, 26 July 2008
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I think it was a mistake not to keep one Novus Ordo Sunday Mass at a reasonable time at least for the time being.
This is something that the FSSP will have to get to grips with if they are to be able to take over parishes in the UK like other orders do. We just don't have enough churches outside the great cities to devote one entirely to one form or the other.
It also shows those who think that Bishops can just wave a wand and sort things out, that this is not the case.
I suspect that in a few years this parish will have closed (given the Mass attendance numbers) and become a supermarket or mosque (or worse still - an SSPX Chapel!!!!)
Those who objected may well find they have no Mass whatsover before long.
Sadly it will take a long time to deworlockise Liverpool
Father, I don't know if Bl. John XXIII addressed the issue, but Paul VI did in a response to the Ab. of Canterbury in November 1975. He then directed the CDF to study the matter and issue a Declaration ("Inter Insigniores" - Oct. 1976).
John Paul II referred to it in his Apostolic Letter "Mulieris Dignitatem" of Aug. 1988. But the final word on it was from John Paul II in his Apostolic Letter "Ordinatio Sacerdotalis" of May 1994 where he said:
"Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful."
"Roma locuta est..."
I have some sympathy with Paul's position, but take issue with a couple of points.
First, nearly every parish in this country is already devoted to just one form of the Roman rite.
Secondly, I think that St Vincent's is not far from several other churches, including the cathedral, at which ordinary-form masses can easily be heard. St. Vincent's is, of course, in the centre of one of our great cities.
So I think that a society like the FSSP could be invited to take care of a parish like St. Vincent's and bring many blessings while scarcely inconveniencing those faithful attached to the newer form of the Roman rite.
But let's not forget that the proposal for St. Vincent's was for it to be entrusted to the care of an archdiocesan priest devoted to the extraordinary form.
I am very sorry that this will not take place, at least for now. I agree with Father that many catholics, both clergy and laity, are quite intolerant of tradition. Shame on them!
But, what interests me here, is the reference to the "restoration" of the Extraordinary Form. I didn't notice that when I read Summorum Pontificum - perhaps someone could point me to where "restoration" is referred to. What one's view of this is does affect significantly how one views events in Liverpool Archdiocese and, indeed, the whole idea of having parishes dedicated exclusively to the Extraordinary Form.
I would like to ask Paul if he really thinks a mosque is preferable to an SSPX chapel or was that a tongue in cheek remark?
The St Vincent's Proposal was rejected by 18 votes. Only twenty priests were present at the meeting. There are over 200 diocesan priests in the Liverpool Archdiocese!!! I am told that a few local clergy stirred up opposition to the plan. Pastorally the parishioners of St Vincent's would have been adequately served by the priestsof the Cathedral parish, the priest serving St Vincent's in the Extra-Ordinary form would have been a cuate at the Cathedral nad so would have seen that every care was given to the former parishioners of the parish. The parish had received a grant from English heritage to restore it several years ago and so it can't be closed for at least 20 years. The plan of the Archdiocese I believe was to completely surpress it and let it finance itself as an Extra-Ordinary form Mass Centre.
Unfortunately as the plans were leaked out before everything was in progress a certain minority managed to cause rebellion among the people and clergy.
praesidium. One word- Satire.
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